Worst American foreign policy blunder ever
The Hubbub XXX: Uncut and Uncensored
This is my reply to CJM's comment on my edgy joke in the Hubbub earlier today.
Page 134 of the 9/11 Commission Report - One reliable source reported Bin Ladin's having met with Iraqi officials, who "may have offered him asylum."
No evidence of any collaborative operational relationship.
No evidence that Iraq cooperated with al Qaeda in developing or carrying out any attacks against the U.S.
No evidence that Iraq financially supported al Qaeda.
No WMDs.
Yeah, it really makes me want to run out and start a war with Iraq and get - among many other really bad results and very few significantly good ones - tens of thousands of young Americans' faces and genitals and limbs and immune systems and nervous systems and organs and brains and minds and lives mutilated.
This is my reply to CJM's comment on my edgy joke in the Hubbub earlier today.
Page 134 of the 9/11 Commission Report - One reliable source reported Bin Ladin's having met with Iraqi officials, who "may have offered him asylum."
No evidence of any collaborative operational relationship.
No evidence that Iraq cooperated with al Qaeda in developing or carrying out any attacks against the U.S.
No evidence that Iraq financially supported al Qaeda.
No WMDs.
Yeah, it really makes me want to run out and start a war with Iraq and get - among many other really bad results and very few significantly good ones - tens of thousands of young Americans' faces and genitals and limbs and immune systems and nervous systems and organs and brains and minds and lives mutilated.
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Hard to venture forth with a comment to this post given its passion, potency and conviction, but I'll try with two relevant quotes:
"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value. I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress and grow brave by the reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death."
-Thomas Paine
"Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it.'
-Henry David Thoreau
Paine's comment can certainly be applied to the man we elected.
Thoreau's comment can certainly be applied to Stalwart pushing the envelope on the rules here as this is certainly Hubbub XXX material. To that I say "Bravo!"
"Paine's comment can certainly be applied to the man we elected." How?
Bush "will pursue his principles unto death?"
Whose death? Certainly not his own. Chicken Hawk George pursued his principles from an Air National Guard bases in Texas and Alabama when it was his turn to fight (and according to his military records, his principles must have been somewhere other than the base, because he didn't show up there for over a year).
Daddy's connections meant W. never had to put his own life on the line in battle (unlike the decorated heroes his campaign smeared in 2000 [McCain] and 2004 [Kerry]).
On second thought, maybe this quote does apply to our Commander-in-Chief, "What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly."
Well, he seems to be pursuing them unto his political death.
Yes, he should focus his attention toward banning vehicles altogether.
Those cause more deaths and mutilation than this war AND it would decrease our nation's oil consumption. Thereby preventing any reason to care what goes on in the middle east. Opps, I forgot about Israel. Oh well let them fend for themselves, we have no interest in supporting other democracies.
to CJM:
1. My post was a reply to your comment. Your comment belonged on bubxxx.
2. My post was posted on bubxxx, it just didn't go there (and now it seems most rules for posting have been lifted.)
Iraq was not a threat. Attacking Iraq did not make the U.S. or Israel or any other ally any safer. All your arguments that don't honestly deal with disproving that just form an impertinent hubbub to those of us that choose to base our perception on reality.
CJM, the Hubbub is a goof, not a competition with other sites.
Most people (myself included) abhor 99% of political and religious "discussion". Take those quotes off the word "discussion" and you have yourself an interesting, important, enlightening thing. Unfortunately, most people can't do that. I am one of the ones who can do it to start off, and while others are doing it. But once someone strays from the guidelines for fruitful discussion, I become a numbskull and follow them down to hell.
The major rules would have to be nothing short of:
1)zero attitude
2)complete objectivity
3)a real interest in others' ideas
4)zero agenda
and probably at least a few more.
Even if the above can be accomplished we should still stick to mostly goofing.
I think we should have only one rule: POST AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. Let's turn that trendline into a rocket! My God, we've got some blogs out there getting tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of hits per day! We have to catch up and fast before we're totally left in the dust.
Oh yeah, and your zero attitude, complete objectivity, a real interest in others' ideas, and zero agenda stuff: fine, swell, yeah works for me. Now let's get out there and get some original posts up on the Beatles, Dylan, Keith F-ing Richards! Let's go! Hut, Hut!
I would modify your one rule to read: POST AS MUCH WORTHWHILE STUFF AS POSSIBLE.
Just throwing up posts that aren't WORTH PEOPLE'S WHILE TO READ, will drive readers away not attract more.
It is disrespectful of our readers to think they should continue to patronize our site when we throw up whatever bullshit we want just to fill space. People are busy, why would they waste their time with us in that case.
Who are we?
I would suggest we think GM versus BMW; Dell Computers versus Apple. Do we want to be the organization that is all about quantity or the one has an aesthetic value?
The world already has a fark.com.
No, no, no. You're too focused on this "worthwhile stuff" notion. People will read it... because it's on the internet! Remember that television series Seinfeld? On September 16, 1992 the episode, The Pitch, originally-aired. The plot: Jerry and George go to NBC to pitch an idea for a new sitcom, a show about... NOTHING.
GEORGE: (Showing an example [of what an episode would be like]) What'd you do today?
RUSSELL [the NBC exec]: I got up and came to work.
GEORGE: There's a show. That's a show.
RUSSELL: (Confused) How is that a show?
JERRY: Well, uh, maybe something happens on the way to work.
GEORGE: No, no, no. Nothing happens.
JERRY: Well, something happens.
RUSSELL: Well, why am I watching it?
GEORGE: Because it's on TV.
RUSSELL: (Threatening) Not yet.
The beauty of the internet: ANYONE CAN BE ON IT!
We don't have to be fark.com.
We don't have to be GM or BMW.
We don't have to be Dell or Apple.
We just have to be the King James Bible: all 791,328 words of it.
(Think 791,328 posts!)
Just remember this simple argument:
Because it's on the internet!
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